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Showing posts with label Treaty of Tripoli. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Treaty of Tripoli. Show all posts

Monday, September 1, 2014

Conservative Historical Myths




There are many conservative myths and they start at the Revolutionary War.


Pseudo-historians like Newt Gingrich will suggest the Revolutionary War was a conservative revolution and Americans should return to those days of yesteryear to recapture our spirit The founders were 10 feet tall and they wrote the Constitution in stone just like the 10 commandments.

 
First, the US revolution was a liberal revolution as was the French. The purpose of the revolution was to throw of the shackles of monarchy and replace it with a democratic republic. The early US democracy is hardly like the one we have today. Women and blacks could not vote and women could not own property.

 
Some Tories were tared and feathered and ridden out of town on a rail. 

However, there were conservatives who were sympathetic to the crown and most emigrated to Canada. At that time conservatives were called Tories.



The US Constitution contains the manner in which our government was structured and some legal principals, most of which are in the Bill of Rights. A house, a senate and judiciary were created so that laws could be written, interpreted and executed. The strict constructionist or originalist theory of the US Constitution has no basis in fact. We would not need a legislative branch, an executive branch and a judiciary if everything was in stone.



Conservatives say the US is a Christian nation, but the First amendment makes it clear he US was established as a secular nation. Want more proof? Read the Treaty of Tripoli signed by John Adams and passed by unanimous voice vote in the US senate. The founders were aware of the religious wars in Europe and didn't want that mistake repeated in the US.



The next conservative myth is that the Civil War was about state rights. Jefferson Davis never talked about state rights until after the Civil war. The Civil War had a lot to do with slavery, but not as most Americans imagine it. Lincoln never talked about abolishing slavery when he first ran for president.



In the mid-19th century, the power of the Southern states were declining as new territories were incorporated into the US. The big concern of Southern representatives and senators was that slavery was not being expanded into the new states.



The Southern economic system was predicated upon slavery. The vice president of the Confederacy, Alexander Stephens said this in his Cornerstone speech in 1861



"Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition."



Southern plantation owners did not want slavery abolished or contained because it was immensely profitable.



The next big myth is that the US never lost a war. Most historians will admit that the US lost the war of 1812, but our history books often gloss over the fact. The last war the US won was World War 2. The Korean War was a stalemate and the US performed a strategic withdrawal in Vietnam. We also occupied Iraq, but eventually withdrew.



Is it possible to have a military victory in a 10 year occupation? One Marine general thinks so.



Conservatives also like to gloss over the Great Depression. The only Democratic president who was elected in the period between 1900 and the start of the Great Depression was Woodrow Wilson. Warren Harding, Calvin Coolidge and Herbert Hoover all served prior to the Great Depression and all were Republican.



Segue to 2008 and another Republican, GW Bush heralded another economic meltdown. Bush's Ownership Society and deregulation of the 5 major investment banks led the US into to the Great Recession. The GOP myth is that the great recession was caused by Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac. Both organization worsened the economic situation in the great Recession, but neither organization caused it.



Another great conservative myth is supply side economics which has been around since the 1890s when it was called “horse and sparrow.”



The idea is that you give the affluent more society so the wealthy  can redistribute it to the middle class. Supply side economics also implies taxes should be cut for the affluent. 

Does anyone really know what the affluent do with their tax cuts? Suspect a lot of the cash ends up in the Cayman Islands or Switzerland.



In the early 80s, the influential and multi-partisan American Economics Association had 18,000 members. Only 12 called themselves supply-side economists in American universities, There is no major department that could be called "supply-side," and there is no supply-side economist at any major department.



This is significant, because academia in the 70s was dominated by conservative economic theory, and conservative economists normally welcome any ideas that make the case against government intervention. The fact that they scrutinized supply-side theory and rejected it wholesales gives eloquent testimony to the theory's bankruptcy.



When candidate George Bush called it “voodoo economics” in the 1980 presidential campaign, he was doing so with the full backing of America's economic community.



Today the conservatives are suggesting that America needs more tax cuts, privatization and deregulation, three things that failed during the GW bush presidency.



Rarely do Republicans offer any reputable proof that their theories about taxes, privatization or deregulation work. The best the GOP can do is provide highly partisan studies from the American Enterprise Institute, the Cato Institute and Heritage.org. 



When you are a political party that I more faith-based than fact-based, ideology is more import that hard facts.



A good example occurred in FL. Without any factual basis, the FL legislature bought Gov. Rick Scott's assumption that people applying for welfare had a drug problem. People applying for welfare were forced to take drug tests at their own expense. The courts threw the law out when it was discovered that few welfare applicants had failed the drug test.



A similar law was recently passed in TN. Only ½ per cent of the welfare applicants failed the drug test there. It is hard to teach a conservative dog new tricks.



Why do Americans continue to elect legislators who are irrational because of their half-baked ideology? Most of these people cannot be confused with facts. 


Some even think that biblical values are more important than US constitutional values. Others think the US Constitution is based upon the bible. America needs to get these misfits like these of politics.



That would be people like Reps. Steven King, Blake Fahrenholt, Louie Gohmert and Michelle Bachmann. Bachman is retiring, hopefully for good.





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Saturday, July 21, 2012

Bloomberg: Bachman's Abedin Attack Reminds of McCarthy



Michele Bachman is a christo-fascist who sees anyone who isn't Christian as he enemy.

You could throw Father Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich into the same extreme right wing sandbox.

All three believe the US was founded as a Christian nation, although the Treaty of Tripoli make it clear the US was founded as a secular nation.


That is also the reason the first amendment is called the Establishment Clause. Ir provides the basis for the legal doctrine of separation of church and state.

see http://godsownparty.com/blog/2010/06/civics-lesson-treaty-of-tripoli-by-hrafnkell/

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Sunday, July 5, 2009

Did the Founding Fathers want the US to be a Christian Republic?

There is no reference to the God, Jesus or Christianity in the US Constitution. Fundamentalists will often reference the Declaration of Independence because God is mentioned once in it. However, the Declaration of Independence is a historical document, not a legal one. There are also no references to God or Christianity in the Articles of Confederation either.

In the Treaty of Tripoli, John Adams and the US Senate voted in a very public way to say that "As the government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian Religion, . . ." the Muslims of Tripoli therefore need not fear a religious war from the U.S. (Article 11).

The vote was recorded only because at least a fifth of the Senators present voted to require a recorded vote. This was the 339th time that a recorded vote was required. It was only the third time that a vote was recorded when the vote was unanimous! There is no record of any debate or dissension on the treaty.

President Adams signed the treaty and proclaimed it to the nation on 10 June 1797. His statement on it was a bit unusual: "Now be it known, That I John Adams, President of the United States of America, having seen and considered the said Treaty do, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, accept, ratify, and confirm the same, and every clause and article thereof.

And to the End that the said Treaty may be observed and performed with good Faith on the part of the United States, I have ordered the premises to be made public; And I do hereby enjoin and require all persons bearing office civil or military within the United States, and all other citizens or inhabitants thereof, faithfully to observe and fulfill the said Treaty and every clause and article thereof."

What happened then? Did our heroes pay a heavy price for their sacrilege? Skeptical that the public even knew about the treaty, the periodicals reading room of the Library of Congress was checked, appropriately enough, the Madison Building. Most of the old newspapers newspapers of the 1790s, were on microfilm, but in a few cases the actual papers of the day were available.

The Treaty of Tripoli and Adams' statement reprinted in full in three newspapers, two in Philadelphia and one in New York City and, in one case, in the Philadelphia Gazette and Universal Daily Advertiser for Saturday, 17 June 1797 which still exist in hard copy. There is no record of any public outcry or complaint in subsequent editions of the papers.

And what of our heroes? Well, none suffered any known negative consequences. One Senator, Theodore Sedgewick of Massachusetts, went on to become the Speaker of the House (imagine Newt Gingrich endorsing such a treaty! Henry Clay is the only other American in history to be first a Senator, then Speaker). Another, Isaac Tichenor, became Governor of Vermont, and then returned to the Senate for many years.

Georgia's Senator, Josiah Tattnall did not return to the Senate, but he did serve thereafter as one of the youngest Governors in Georgia's history, and has a county in Georgia and a number of streets and squares named after him.
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/buckner_tripoli.html


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Friday, June 12, 2009

Michelle Bachmann wants the Treaty of Tripoli abrogated with the Barbary States

In a recent address to Congress, Bachmann spent five minutes whining about how Barack Obama asked for religious symbols to be covered when he spoke about the economy at Georgetown because the US is a secular nation.

She also indicated Abraham Lincoln and George Washington were God fearing presidents unlike Obama. Of course, Lincoln is one of Obama's favorite presidents, too. Bachman also wondered what the United States would be without Jesus.

Would anyone be surprised to learn that Obama demanding the religious symbols be covered up for his Georgetown speech wasn't true? He just asked to have a simple backdrop that covered everything behind him. Amazingly, the story was reported in the Washington Times. Bachmann said “It was reported, so it must be true.”

Well, it was reported. but wasn't true. She had clearly not fact-checked the story.

Rightardia (RI) asked Michelle Bachman (MB) about her recent comments in an interview.

RI: You have said the US is a Christian nation. Why do you believe that?
MB: All of the Funding Fathers were Christian and liked their churches. They said nice things about Christians.
RI: Have you seen Bill Mayer's movie, Religulous?
MB; Oh, Good Lord, no! That is a secular movie that was directed by a Godless atheist.
RI: Did you know that John Adams said, "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it."
MB: Oh, that must be taken out of context.
RI: Franklin also said, "Lighthouses are more useful than churches."
MB: Well, Franklin was a scientist and very secular.
RI: Thomas Jefferson said, “Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man.”
MB: Well, he was a liberal, wasn't he. He even committed heresy and even worse wrote his own Bible.
RI: Yes. the Jefferson Bible, or The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth, was Thomas Jefferson's effort to extract the doctrine of Jesus by removing sections of the New Testament containing supernatural aspects and misinterpretations he believed had been added by the Four Evangelists.
MB: I am an evangelical so Jefferson had to be wrong.
RI: You think a Founding Father was wrong?
MB: He had to be.
RI: In your biography, you attempted to make children learn the 12 principles of Christianity in a charter school in Minnesota. These principles were a lot like the 10 Commandments.
MB: What is wrong with that?
RI: Are you aware of the First Amendment and the legal doctrine that has arisen form it?
MB: What are you talking about. The US is Christian nation.
RI: Actually, there is a legal doctrine on the Separation of Church and State. It is based on nearly 50 district and Supreme Court cases.
MB: What is this, gotcha journalism?
RI: This is what Jefferson about the clergy. ."The clergy, by getting themselves established by law and ingrafted into the machine of government, have been a very formidable engine against the civil and religious rights of man."
MB: That is why the US is a Christian nation.
RI: Well, Jefferson believed this is why a firewall was needed between church and state. This is why there are no “official religions” in the US.
MB: Well, you'll have to prove that to me (laughing)!
RI: Have you heard about the Treaty or Tripoli?
MB: Is that the treaty Obama wants with Moammar Qaddafi?
RI: No, it was signed in 1797 by John Adams and approved by the everyone in the US Senate.
MB: So what?
RI: Article 11 of the treaty of Tripoli states: As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
RI: Obama mentioned this treaty when he went to Egypt and pointed out in his speech that Morocco was the first country to recognize the United States as a country.
MB: Oh my God! I will have to talk to my colleagues in the Senate to get this treaty abrogated.
RI: The Barbary States were made up of parts of Tripolitania, Tunisia, Algeria, and Morocco and no longer are countries. Tripoltania is now the Western part of Libya.
MB: We still need to get this treaty off of the books. Now you know why Republican hate treaties.

Michele Bachmann stood up and ran out the room. It looked like her hair was on fire.

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